Celsius, Three Arrows Capital, FTX,
and now BlockFi. 2022 has seen crypto Companies falling one after another,
undermining trust in the ecosystem. All of crypto is trying to rebuild a financial
system that we already have based on manipulation. "But Bitcoin is something different!",
say the Bitcoin maximalists. To them, Bitcoin is the only crypto that has no
counterparty risk and therefore the only One that can be trusted. But can Bitcoin really
fix all this mess? Can Bitcoin really be the one And only base layer for the financial system
of the future? We discuss these questions With Jeff Booth, entrepreneur and author
of "The Price of Tomorrow". I'm Giovanni, On this show, we challenge the ideas that
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to our channel. Now, let's get into it. First of all, let's start from your basic
theories. You are convinced that one of The major problems of today's society is the
"manipulation of money". Tell us more about that. I understand that you envision
Bitcoin as the base layer For the future financial system so that people
won't have to rely on these third party entities, The centralized entities like FTX, like Celsius,
like all these examples that we saw this year. So that's exactly what's happening. So all of
crypto is trying to rebuild a financial system That we already have based on manipulation
and centralization. The entire stack besides Bitcoin. And Bitcoin is the only thing that
changes that. We don't need another system Requiring greater credit that can never
be paid back, that has to manipulate Our time and information to pretend it can
pay it back. We need a different system that Puts the incentives of all of us together and
aligned incentives to the best of us instead of Based on the theft. And so, that's actually
partly the reason why this entire system, The entire crypto ecosystem is
going to go to zero besides Bitcoin. After the collapse of all these CeFi
platforms, a lot of people are saying: "This is time for DeFi to emerge." So we
notice that there has been an increase In activity on DeFi platforms because
as we know, DeFi offers this sort of Peer-to-peer services which don't require
custodians, third party risks. And so, They seem to provide a solution. But you
don't believe those are a solution, right? We've talked about DeFi. Decentralized finance Cannot exist. It's impossible for it
to exist on a centralized platform. When you say centralized platforms,
you mean Ethereum, right? I mean anything other than Bitcoin, because I have
Not seen something that passes the test
that can be decentralized in security. A lot of people see it, see decentralization as
a sort of spectrum. So you can have more or less Decentralization. And probably the traditional
financial system is still far more centralized Than those platforms that you are criticizing
on which the DeFi system is working on. So maybe right now, but if you project it
forward and the world moves on top of it, Not a chance. Not a chance, because functionally
they have to become more centralized, they have To. That's not a guess. That is looking at the
logic on how it's built. And if you look at Ethereum today and if you look at how it could be
overcome, how the state could just take it over, It's because it has to be become more centralized
as a function of how the blockchain works. And now let's explain better how
Bitcoin is addressing this trilemma, The blockchain trilemma. So you claim
that Bitcoin is the perfect protocol For building the future financial system,
specifically because it solves two of the Three components of the blockchain trilemma
and it doesn't need really to solve the third. And so that's an important, really important
differentiation. And I'm saying it doesn't have To solve that in a layered system. Technology
protocols develop in layers instead of one Big behemoth that solves everything. And for the
layers to function properly, they have to harden. And that means they have to be super, super
resistant to any changes at the base layer Until the next layer can be built on. That base
layer needs to be proven decentralized and secure. And so Bitcoin has hardened for 13 years, provable
more secure, provable more decentralization, And outside of control of any government,
nothing can stop it on the base layer. And then layer 2 comes on and can talk to
the base layer. And layer 2 becomes Lightning And it opens up an entire new payment rail
on top of payment rails on top of layer 1 That we couldn't see that many people
that were talking about crypto, That why they went into crypto the first time
is Bitcoin couldn't provide the payment layer Because it could only do 5 to 7 transactions a
second on layer 1. So they solved scalability Or they tried to solve scalability and
sacrifice the decentralization by doing so. So Bitcoin critic and Ethereum proponent Ryan
Berckmans explained three reasons why Bitcoin Won't be able actually to become this
base layer for everything like the one That you explain. So here are Bitcoin's three
problems according to him. Let's address them One by one. So the first problem according to
him is that Bitcoin is uncompetitive because Of its lack of apps and the high cost of
proof-of-work. So let's address that first. So the high cost of proof-of-work on the
base layer, as we've already talked about, Is a feature, not a bug. It is the way that
you drive decentralization and security, Period. It's the only way to be able to, from
a physics standpoint, to be able to do that.
And yes, it doesn't on the base layer, it
doesn't allow apps to be built, it doesn't Allow scalability. That's actually the feature.
But in layer 2, it allows all of that scalability. I can send Lightning transactions around the
world, I do send Lightning transactions around The world right now for fractions of a penny,
unlimited. So now you have your second layer Talking to your first layer without sacrificing
the second layer, without sacrificing the first Layer, they can build an entire ecosystem
on top of that for the lowest cost, period. And the short follow-up question why there
are not so many developers on the Bitcoin Blockchain compared to Ethereum, for example? And that's a pretty simple question. So if you
had, let's just use block size as an example. Let's say increasing block size, you could put
more things in, you could build smart contracts In. Right? And then that would give a whole bunch
of developers a way to build a whole bunch of Interesting things on top of your blockchain. So
it would empower an entire audience. But by doing That at the base layer meant that block size
would have to increase and the compute power To run to audit the system would have to increase
and that would concentrate the centralization and Very few nodes that had the money to be
able to do that. It would be a tradeoff. That was pretty clear. So now let's address
the second concern. So Bitcoin security budget Is unsustainable because its transaction
fees haven't and won't grow nearly enough To make up for BTC issuance reduction from the
halvings. So as a result, Bitcoin is currently On track to suffer successful 51% attacks. To
solve this, the Bitcoin community must become Willing to sacrifice a 21 million supply cap and
inflate BTC on an ongoing basis to buy security. So how could you comment this? So when I see a question like that that is just so
factually backwards, it's hardly even a question That's worth, because if that was true, then
hash rate wouldn't be moving up on Bitcoin. Security wouldn't be increasing. And security
wouldn't be increasing on Bitcoin. So if it Was easier to attack Bitcoin today and
there was that much power to attack it, Then why hasn't it been attacked? So the
security is exploding. If you look at Exahashes on Bitcoin as a measure of the energy
use of Bitcoin, security and mining of Bitcoin, It's exploding all around the world. So it gets
harder and harder every year, not less hard. Let's address the last of the concerns
which is about quantum computing. So He's making the point that one day there will be
this technology, quantum computing, that will be Able to break the cryptography that Bitcoin is
based on, thus kind of undermining its security. You just say, okay, quantum is going
to break security at some point. Wouldn't you expect quantum to try to break
security on something like a bank first? Or the Federal Reserve first? Because this
security underlying this it is encryption
Security that runs the entire world. And so,
if quantum in some time is able to break this, Then it could also break every other
security instrument and every other crypto, Every other financial institution,
every single other thing, nuclear codes And wouldn't there as well, as that would
happen, wouldn't you expect that all of The people within Bitcoin, if that were to
happen, to develop quantum resistance in That threat just like that would happen all over
the world? So that's the way technology evolves, And you're constantly looking to, okay, what's the
next threat and you're moving ahead of that. Even If you took that to its logical conclusion
tomorrow, there's quantum that could break That. It's likely not going to break Bitcoin first
because there's not enough incentive to do so. And If it did, it would ruin the same incentive that
it was trying to crack to be able to crack it. Thanks a lot, Jeff, for this incredibly Insightful conversation. I hope
to have you again on our show. Thanks, Giovanni.
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